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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

You simply don’t need to.

You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

#WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

Ursula von der Leyen’z post wishing a “warm welcome to all folllwers on W” and calling it user friendly, open source, privacy preserving and “humans only/no bots”. Oh and “European” (unlike Mastodon, which I guess was made on Mars).
Ursula von der Leyen’z post wishing a “warm welcome to all folllwers on W” and calling it user friendly, open source, privacy preserving and “humans only/no bots”. Oh and “European” (unlike Mastodon, which I guess was made on Mars).
Ursula von der Leyen’z post wishing a “warm welcome to all folllwers on W” and calling it user friendly, open source, privacy preserving and “humans only/no bots”. Oh and “European” (unlike Mastodon, which I guess was made on Mars).
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Resist AI
@resistAI@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 13 minutes ago

@aral Well said. Thanks.

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Layan🍉🇵🇸
@Layan2002@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@aral @_elena You speak from a reality where there is genuine choice for individuals. But for us in Gaza, this space is narrow and imposes many restrictions on our online freedom, forcing us into many of these actions. Imagine that our data at the World Food Programme was hacked and used in genocide.

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Numerfolt
@Numerfolt@kirche.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@aral @_elena Oh, and they have massive security issues:
https://mu.social/profile/robin.berjon.com/post/3mojbyntys22l

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Robin Berjon (@robin.berjon.com)

It looks like W Identity, the part of @wsocial.eu that checks your papers before you go in, has a very basic XSS on its admin backend, found hours after launch. This seems almost too predictable... Cyberfriends, any thoughts on how bad? 23.social/@kantorkel/1...
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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@Numerfolt @_elena Well colour me surprised :)

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Gauff 🇪🇺
@gaufff@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@aral @_elena i'm very pessimistic about the future, globally. A small part of me was still putting hope in #Europe . Hoping we would have the chance to do things better, differently.

Adopt more officially #fediverse , #opensource , #ethics solution. It wouldn't have been hard to leverage on the great strength and potential of #mastodon , #matrix and #element , ...

This might seem out of proportion, but all my hope is gone 😞 All of it.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@gaufff @_elena Sadly, I reached the same conclusion years ago. You can only get rejected so many times for funding when building exactly what they say they want before you realise that what they say they want and what they actually want are two very different things.

W is what they want.

Believe them when they show you who they are.

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Gauff 🇪🇺
@gaufff@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@aral @_elena while i write this, the speaker in the (public!) #radio says that we can interact with them via #whatsapp and #instagram 👿

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Jiri Rybar
@jirirbr@mastodonczech.cz replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@aral @_elena All this good and relevant infor just to blow it with immediately calling it a NAZI bar. 🙄

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Frank Heijkamp
@alterelefant@mastodontech.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@aral
The future of social media is decentralized. No single entity should own an entire platform. We made that mistake before and it is wise to learn from past mistakes. Too much power in one hand will lead to enshittification and abuse of power.

The definition of insanity is joining centralized social media platforms over and over again and expect the outcome to be different.
@_elena

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Gato gaucho
@beckermatic@mastodon.la replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@aral
@_elena

Imagine joining W and the first thing you see is Ursula. Brrrrr! 😬😲

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Supermoosie
@SuperMoosie@mastodon.au replied  ·  activity timestamp 18 hours ago

@aral @_elena

Do not give a computer your real ID, not matter how hard and often it asks.

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Captain Jack Sparrow
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@aral @_elena

if that bitch is on W social then it must be linked to zionist israel

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François @Jura
@FrancoisPrague@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@aral @_elena I am a happy pro-European. My children are literally Erasmus children. Leaders like Ursula von der Leyen, however, undermine the very ideals the European project stands for.

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Yakyu Night Owl
@YakyuNightOwl@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@aral "W" is for whites. How subtle.

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David Ginn
@david@social.piconet.work replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena Why name it double-yew / dubya / doobleh-vay anyway? Most contested letter pronunciation.

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John
@john234@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena and like any 'good' VC funded entity, they'll sell out to another (probably US based) social media platform as soon as they've got a critical mass.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@john234 @_elena They’ve already sold the exit to their investors. That’s how they got the investment. Now the game is convincing us that they’d never sell as they – as you said, gain critical mass – and finalise the exit. Unless we deny them the network effects. And that means not giving them the benefit of the doubt. That means not signing up. It means boycotting it.

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Brad Macpherson
@brad@1040ste.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena Yet another Dubya that I want nothing to do with...

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@brad @_elena Ooh, maybe that’s what we should call it :)

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Frieda’s boss
@mnls@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena

First of all, the whole idea of “European digital sovereignty“ (EU Office, EU Social Media, EU whatever service) seems to me pointless more than the attached bottle cap and plastic straws. It’s like the "I want a burger. We have burger at home".

Secondly, why to be on the same social media network with EU Officials. What’s the cool in it? Where is the "fun" part besides reading their lame announcements using the same political language over and over again?

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PaulaToThePeople 😷
@PaulaToThePeople@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 24 hours ago

@aral @_elena Is any of those 5 points that Ursi lists true?

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Joaquim Homrighausen
@joho@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral

"Oh, look, yet another closed platform I don't want to be on" 🙄

Why would anyone sign up for W when there's Mastodon, Pixelfed, GoToSocial, Matrix/Synapse, and even bsky ... 🤔

Thank you, but ... I'd rather swallow rusty nails.

Ursula needs to get a grip. If anyone knows here, I'll be happy to have a sit-down with her and explain how this sh*t really works.

@_elena

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Magister Navis
@magisternavis@nrw.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral Never heard about that dabblyou

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kkarhan
@kkarhan@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena people who commit to and normlaize #SelfDoxxing are the worst #UsefulIdiots there could be!

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Hans
@hc@mastodon.africa replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena I welcome anything that competes with X - not that I will sign up. The more fragmented the better.

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Gharbeia, Ⓐ
@gharbeia@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena
If this achieves network effect, they might even move in the future to outlaw the Fediverse's clients, protecting their interests, while citing protecting children/public interest.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@gharbeia @_elena Entirely feasible. Anything that doesn’t have identity verification can easily be deemed illegal.

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Humming
@hummingbird8009@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena W Social triggers the "good" old face-to-face artificial compliance via "real-ID" check Anonymity is not a bug to fix but a part of our human evolution For 35 years nicknames have protected the raw "I am" by letting oppressed thoughts & feelings be expressed After 2 generations of digital scars the 3rd generation will be developing immunity Identifying both the trolls & the oppressed victims of societal norms May the 3rd generation be allowed to be itself, not a puppet

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Chao-c'
@xChaos@f.cz replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena I am not sure if my trolling trollface will be helpful, but:

I would never even heard about W if not for your statuses here. Just saying...

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@xChaos @aral the European Commission is openly embracing W Social and von der Leyen took time out of her G7 meetings to promote W!

This is not a drill.

I think the EC sees this as a trial run for a possible mandatory social media age verification across the European Union. We must pay attention and resist.

This is an existential threat to the Fediverse as a whole (which doesn't have systems in place to comply with age verification).

RESIST & SPEAK UP

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François @Jura
@FrancoisPrague@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@_elena @xChaos @aral

is it just me or they choose W purposefully so it would not seat between X (Twitter) and Z (Russia)? 🤔

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Captain Jack Sparrow
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@_elena @xChaos @aral

WTF IS 'W social' ?

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Whasdah :mastodon:
@whasdah@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena I don't really understand the tone of your comments for this European initiative. I'm surely not saying this is the right answer but if #mastodon is so far more superior, why weren't there more efforts past two years to make it really sustainable. Relying on goodwilling citizens time, effort and money to keep up instances, is not the answer. By doing so, unfortunately, it's doomed to stay on the side, because you know, none of the people I know are here too. The #EU ís, by the way.

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Disisdeguey🔻PalestineAction🇵🇸
@disisdeguey@expressional.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena Also anything, ANYTHING, promoted by ziovonderleyer ita a NO, NO,NO.
#UECorrupt

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Colin H.
@GlasWolf@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena My favourite von der Leyen moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSqb1ckLt4

EU President Ursula Von der layen Talks About Free Speech #vonderleyen
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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@GlasWolf @_elena Apparently he was not arrested. He was escorted out and fined €110. Still ironic but also important to have the facts straight.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20193800

News

Thursday's papers: Russian media's darling in Finland, rethinking child benefits, and 'tax day' exposes growing gap

Finland's child benefit system may undergo a "major change", according to newsgroup Uutissuomalainen.
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Colin H.
@GlasWolf@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@aral @_elena Fair. Still makes for a wonderful scene though.

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cipper 📌
@cipper@mastodon.uno replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena

I think there would be reasonable use case for this tool, not for social networking but as replacement for schools and institutions that presently rely on GAFAM services.

Instead of having school communications on Telegram or Whatsapp, having an institutional channel would be much better.

Beside that, the best part of social networking is to stay anonymous and interact with unknown people, not for misbehaving, but rather to speak freely.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@cipper @_elena Why does it have to be a VC-funded startup?

Signal groups would work perfectly well for that use case. If you want more custom functionality, why not a not-for-profit initiative specially designed for that purpose? There is no scenario where a VC-funded startup is an ethical alternative to other VC-funded startups and their post-exit states (publicly-traded companies).

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Hyblon
@hyblon@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena and beside that AT proto is not privacy friendly.

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Edgar de Almeida
@BerserkEd_PT@masto.pt replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena
I took a peak on Wedium (the insta/tiktok euro competitor) because I always like to test stuff instead of just criticizing. I wanted to test a post, first thing I got asked was to identify with webID. Uninstalled it and deleted the email alias I created for it. 😅

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@BerserkEd_PT @_elena Sure but when you see an arsenic beer salesman you don’t have to try it to know that they’re peddling poison.

(i.e., VC funded startup = arsenic beer salesman)

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luca
@luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena That's really embarrassing, for any European.

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Reverend Elvis
@reverend@social.undeadnetwork.de replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral Why stop it? Everyone seeks out their own hell. Let them get on with it. I like seeing them suffer. Everyone can see that when von der Leyen’s there, ‘Humans Only’ isn’t true anyway. I'll go and get some popcorn.

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Rynach
@Rynach@mstdn.io replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena I saw one Finnish social media and brand marketing company making a blog post about W and how it's "a big opportunity for public discourse as a platform". Basically empty hype with no critical angle. I might as well send email to the writer and include links to Elena's posts about W.

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Donswelt
@donnyglover@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena I love that the open source lock is barely open.

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Izzy
@IzzyOnDroid@floss.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral apart from which, this "advert" is misleading: "Open Source AT Protocol". Even if that's true – what about the rest of this "service"? Don't e.g. Google, MS & Co offer their siloed mail services, providing access via the "Open Source IMAP protocol"? What kind of argument is this – just picking a tiny screw to drop the term "Open Source" in? Apart from me also doubting the "privacy preserving", given you need to ID yourself without need just to be able to use it. @_elena

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