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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

I don’t know if this is a sick burn (by a FOSDEM organiser spilling the truth about FOSDEM) or an own goal.

🤷‍♂️ https://pleroma.debian.social/objects/f49df30a-d65e-4195-833d-29b7481b3aba

Wouter Verhelst
@wouter@pleroma.debian.socia
10/12/2025, 20:08 Edited
@aral Good thing #FOSDEM isn't about freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy, then. It's *just* about Free and Open Source Software.
(disclaimer: yes I'm a FOSDEM organizer, but no l don't speak for FOSDEM, my thoughts are my own)
RT: mastodon.ar.al/users/aral/stat...
Wouter Verhelst @wouter@pleroma.debian.socia 10/12/2025, 20:08 Edited @aral Good thing #FOSDEM isn't about freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy, then. It's *just* about Free and Open Source Software. (disclaimer: yes I'm a FOSDEM organizer, but no l don't speak for FOSDEM, my thoughts are my own) RT: mastodon.ar.al/users/aral/stat...
Wouter Verhelst @wouter@pleroma.debian.socia 10/12/2025, 20:08 Edited @aral Good thing #FOSDEM isn't about freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy, then. It's *just* about Free and Open Source Software. (disclaimer: yes I'm a FOSDEM organizer, but no l don't speak for FOSDEM, my thoughts are my own) RT: mastodon.ar.al/users/aral/stat...
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:
@onepict@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral well FOSDEM pretty much demonstrated their values last year.

https://www.onepict.com/20250119-cobbles.html

About that time they picked Jack Dorsey as a headliner.

https://www.onepict.com/20250122-mirror.html

I called for some transparency.

https://www.onepict.com/20250206-mirror.html

No Dorsey, Matrix got to talk instead. Oh and no transparency.

Mirror Mirror Part 3:After FOSDEM

Mirror Mirror Part 2: A call for transparency from FOSDEM

The Cobbles:Mirror Mirror

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Wouter Verhelst
@wouter@pleroma.debian.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago
@aral Don't know which part of "I don't speak for FOSDEM" is so difficult to understand, but you do you.

Yes, Free Software is about politics. Which politics? Depends on who you ask. Some will say that freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy are part of that, but not everyone will, and that doesn't mean they're not part of the community.

This is an important debate but I don't think one in which FOSDEM as an organization has an opinion, even though some of its members might.
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schrotthaufen
@schrotthaufen@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral Why do so many supposedly smart people think tech is not inherently political?

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mray
@mray@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral Silly you! "F" in FOSDEM stands for "Open Source". ablobcatbongo

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

Because “Free and Open Source Software isn’t about freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy” is one helluva take.

(And yes, you’re right, “open source” isn’t about any of those things. It’s just about the source being openly available. Not about protecting its openness or anything. It’s open as in “open for business.” But free (as in freedom) software/technology…? Well, I guess some of us would beg to differ.)

Oh, and if you want a philosophy/movement that isn’t shy or apologetic about being about freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy, see Small Tech:

https://small-tech.org/about/#small-technology

#FOSDEM #openSource #freeSoftware #SmallTech #freedom #privacy #humanRights #democracy

Small Technology Foundation: About

We’re a tiny and independent two-person not-for-profit based in Ireland. We’re working on building the Small Web.
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tom jennings
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral

Aral, I'm with you on nearly everything you post. But afaik FOSS has long been about access to code, and no more. "Free and open" parallels human freedom and openness but in the longstanding software "movement", no. But! it is absolutely taken as such by many people, and I'm one of them.

But FOSS doesn't not automatically mean freedom as in human, very many tech folk are tech-first, and there that.

This dissonance, this dilemma is deep if not wide. It makes conversations about the use of FOSS to oppress us very messy.

We absolutely need a way to distinguish and state freedom as in human in software.

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john r red-horse
@jrredho@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral

A fair bit of your declaration seems like a straw man to me.

I've always interpreted free to mean free of payment cost. Free of cost has never meant freedom in the free from tyranny sense.

Open source? Well, open to acquire and scrutinize, etc. Also, are you saying there are no protections available for open source, that something like one of the GPLs doesn't protect the open source itself?

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sortius :Fire_Bisexual:
@sortius@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral there's a reason I ran like the wind from open source communities.

There's dudes like this everywhere in them. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not developing for human rights, you're developing for fascism

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the elder sea
@eldersea@expressional.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral "Oh, my political project isn't political at all"
-white dudes everywhere

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Charles U. Farley
@freakazoid@retro.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral It baffles me that people think there's any point to FOSS besides improving freedom/privacy/human rights/democracy.

They should fire that guy.

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Simon D.
@siltaer@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral Ahhh, Free Software is not about Freedom…

Well, well, well.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@siltaer Free as in “not freedom”.

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mmu_man
@mmu_man@m.g3l.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral @siltaer IIRC it's been already complicated to get them to add the "F" to OSDEM at first, and it people had a hard time getting topics like legal and policy in… Which is also why some people started OFFDEM to address these.

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Simon D.
@siltaer@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@aral It must be the "other Free" like it was the "other private" in Mastodon confidentiality levels

(remember ? the public one)

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