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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

“My fear is that W Social is just another for-profit Big Tech startup that happens to be based in the EU. We don’t need that. We don’t need more European surveillance capitalists and people farmers. We need ethical alternatives working for the common good.”

– Yours truly, in @_elena’s excellent exposé on W Social.

https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-public-institutions-and-the-theater-of-european-digital-sovereignty/

Do read the article to the end, especially noting the bit about the composition of their board of advisors, which includes an ex-Google AI lead and an ex-Paypal Chief [Violate Your] Privacy Officer who now works at Tools for Humanity (Sam Altman’s “Sci-fi dystopia? Hold my beer…” identity farming startup that wants to scan your eyeballs).

#WSocial #EuropeWashing #PrivacyWashing #BigTech #peopleFarming #surveillance #capitalism #EU #ATProto #fediverse

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Oxo-7
@Oxo748_HiLik@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena les mêmes apprentis sorciers du transhumanisme c’est vos cerveaux l’objectif . Le cycle central : Comment la misère alimente le contrôle, qui génère du profit, qui perpétue la misère
2. Les 3 piliers du système : Marchés de la détresse → Carcan de contrôle → Spectacle d'illusion
3. La réponse : Comment les points de fragilité du système permettent des stratégies de préservation
4. La boucle systémique : Le système s'auto-alimente, mais sa complexité même crée ses propres failles

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Olaalashqer
@alashqrla781@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@aral @_elena Please repost my message so that my children can be fed.

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Dekks Herton
@dekkzz78@ruby.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena

obviously the techbros have their fascist claws in it already

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Kerplunk
@Kerplunk@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena

“My fear is that W Social is just another for-profit Big Tech startup that happens to be based in the EU. We don’t need that. We don’t need more European surveillance capitalists and people farmers. We need ethical alternatives working for the common good.”

With a right wing dominate EU Commission we will not get that.

W Social is an antisocial Walled Garden for a
Right wing Peer Group
seemingly seeking to fully controll EU and turn it in to a mimicry of usa under trump.

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@Kerplunk @_elena Fun times.

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Mark Vanderbeeken
@vanderbeeken@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena Is it even legal for the EU (European Commission, European Central Bank, European Parliament, EU Council, European Committee of the Regions, von der Leyen, Costa, Lagarde, Metsola) to promote a private for-profit at the expense of others (Eurosky, Leafplaza)? Can they go to court and claim damages?

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@vanderbeeken @_elena Not to mention, oh, I don’t know… the noncorporate federated space where having this very conversation in. 🤔

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Mark Vanderbeeken
@vanderbeeken@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena True, but an argument can be made that the EU should be present on various platforms and they are on Mastodon with their own instance. The ATProtocol problem I flagged is that they chose for a private player's PDS (instead of running it themselves) and then started advertising that private player (for completely non transparent reasons). I would like to see some legal expert weighing in on this.

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Mark Vanderbeeken
@vanderbeeken@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena Besides a legal analysis, this also needs a political one. The closed source platform. The identity verification. The alignment with the EU. The EU's questionable approach of advertising the platform of one private company, even though there are others. X but one letter less in the alphabet.

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Mark Vanderbeeken
@vanderbeeken@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@aral @_elena Commission accused of promoting European social media platform
https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-accused-of-promoting-european-social-media-platform

Euractiv

Commission accused of promoting European social media platform | Euractiv

The Commission announced it will join W social during its beta launch
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Herman 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇾🇪🍋
@Herman@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@_elena @aral

“W Social have taken down the public repo of their app: https://github.com/w-social-eu. You can still look at the last state from early March in the archive, but right now it's no longer public. That means that the European Commission has factually migrated their data from an open source platform (Bluesky) into a closed source platform (W Social).”

🙄 They want control. Transparency seems a threat for them. The wrong mindset to start with.

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thoe
@thoe@snac.9space.no replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

I have this nagging fear that we're really close to a "walled web" coming to full fruition, where people who refuse to verify their identity are just locked out of the web, like with the vaccination pass during the height of the covid pandemic. Trying to browse any site if Cloudflare is down or their captcha service isn't working is probably a good indication of what it's going to be like. Also just trying to access information on Facebook, LinkedIn, or Instagram without an account, or any paywalled news site. I can't really see any other endgame with all of the OS level age verification laws being proposed everywhere and similar discussions going on in the EU and UK, and now the W Social promotion where "verified humans" is the selling point. Protecting the kids from the evils of the internet and you from the bots. Aaaaah, I miss the 90s.

CC: @_elena@mastodon.social

#privacy

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Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
@bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.be replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral @_elena Why don't we ask @hpod16 ? Maybe she can help instead of us here all running around and being all panicky :D

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@bigbelgianbopper @_elena @hpod16 What exactly do we have to ask her?

If it’s raining, do we need her to tell us it’s sunny out?

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Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
@bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.be replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral @_elena @hpod16 She works for the EU social media department. So maybe she knows why they have chosen an extra channel? It doesn't always have to be corruption and end of the world statements 😉 Am I cautious? Yes. But I prefer to talk/ask before raising the canons

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@bigbelgianbopper @_elena @hpod16 Indeed. Please, let’s give these venture-capital-funded surveillance capitalists every benefit of the doubt. There’s literally no history we can draw upon to learn any lessons.

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J.L. 1285
@CAWguy@thecanadian.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral @_elena If Europe can’t get this right, no wonder it feels so hopeless here in Canada expecting our politicians to migrate away from American big tech.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral thank you again for your EXCELLENT analysis Aral!

BTW did you see this? 😮

https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116764738020685078

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Jan Penfrat
@ilumium@eupolicy.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@_elena @aral Maybe this #W thing will not be big after all :)

Politico's Eliza "attempted to obtain an account, which requires support from W. After a 40-minute call and the help of the company’s Chief Technology Officer, Mario Nakic and a technologist from its #identification app, she managed to open one. But she is now locked out (...) because she had tried to get verified so many times (...), and, apparently, W doesn’t allow you to change your #password unless you have enabled #biometrics."

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@_elena Clueless (corrupt?) fools.

Also: my pleasure. Thank you for your excellent exposés.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral Thanks Aral. I wish I didn't have to write them, but there are literally ZERO journalists investigating W 🥲

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@_elena “Journalists”

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Matúš Chochlík
@matus_chochlik@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@aral @_elena I wouldn't call them clueless; people like von der Leyen know *very* well, what they are doing.

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